Spring Talon of Redwin Tournament

[MurOllavan]

Rules say the last standings before the tournament determine eligibility. They don't say anything about the current standings, and if I'm missing that please show me where.

If I can't register for the tournament because my position on tomorrow's standings is unknown, then the same follows for everyone above me. Seirichi could be a warlord on those standings for all anyone knows - hell I bet she went on a tear last weekend.

Its not my fault the rules were written with an event in the future listed as the eligibility requirement. If I'm ineligible to enter because of this, then all entries shouldn't be valid until the standings are posted so we know the ranks of each person for sure.

[Jaycy Ashleana]

The standings currently posted may be the last standings before the tournament.

The difference between you and everyone else, Mur, is that when everyone else signed up they were officially eligible to participate. Until standings come out proclaiming you not a Warlord, you are not officially eligible to participate.

Someone may become ineligible after the last standings are posted but when they signed up they were eligible. In that case, they would not be allowed to participate on the date of tournament. You are the opposite.

Jaycy

[MurOllavan]

The standings currently posted may be the last standings before the tournament.

You may be a smart person.

The difference between you and everyone else, Mur, is that when everyone else signed up they were officially eligible to participate.

No, not unless we know for sure the current standings are the last standings before the tournament. If they are not in fact the last standings and new standings are in fact posted tomorrow (which both you and I know they will), then all the entries before me are invalid.

Because the rules say nothing about the second-to-last standings before the tournament. Those standings are irrelevant to the eligibility according to the rules so if new standings are posted then those above registered based on the future just like me.

The rules should say that registration is open to anyone currently below warlord, and any duelist that makes warlord prior the tournament start is ineligible. It's not my fault the rules were poorly written.

Don't fret I'm sure G will interpret the rules to say that I can't register until I'm a publicly notarized GM all 'official', that my registration free is my first-born and that I must duel wrapped head to toe in red tape.

You women are all the same, just angry that if I get in I'm a ten thousand to one favorite to win.

[G]

I wasn't aware that the rules needed to dictate every possible eventuality for every possible situation on any given event. If that's the case, we're going to be here a long, long, LOOONG time.

Oh look. There's a clause.

'Nuff said.

[Maria Graziano]

So of the people that have said they are going to get in our way, one hasn't even been dueling an entire cycle and the other is predicting his own fall from the warlord rank?

Hilarious.

- M.G.

[Rhiannon Brock]

Mur,

The long standing rule is the standings must be published to be valid. Why do you think the Standings Keepers have gotten their ears bent for years? If people were allowed to do what you have suggested, the callers would not be able to verify their ranks when they are are dueling. Ergo, currently means what's published.

Why do you think there was such a debacle over Draven Altruis challenging Dalamar before the standings were posted? Because the results of the previous challenge had not been posted yet.

The validity of your challenges, has never been what I was addressing. (You assumed otherwise in your first response to me) They were valid when you made them and it's up to G to sort that out. You still aren't a Grand Master or lower until the standings are posted.

Mur, you're just pissy because a woman cleaned your clock in Madness and took you out in round two. I hope if you do end up being allowed in that some woman, any woman, knocks you out of the ring in the first round.

Rhiannon Brock
Squire of Battlefield Park

[Kalamere]

Seems to me that Mur, in a way, is paying the staff a courtesy. Isn't it generally better thought of to let the host of an event know you plan to attend sooner rather than later? The man can count past 15 and even understands subtraction enough to realize what rank he'll be by the time this tourney takes place. I fail to see what harm is done by his accepting the fact of his decreased rank and letting folks know he plans to attend.

~Kal

[Rhiannon Brock]

Kal,

If you take that stance, isn't rude to crash a party that you weren't invited to in the first place? i.e. not officially a GM or under, not invited.

Precedent was set with Guaire. G's a fair man, why would he give Mur that leeway and not others?

Rhi

[MurOllavan]

Mur, you're just pissy because a woman cleaned your clock in Madness and took you out in round two. I hope if you do end up being allowed in that some woman, any woman, knocks you out of the ring in the first round.

It happens from time to time that the inferior sex gets the better of me. I just asked a simple question whether the rules would apply as they were written. Why all the fuss? Its like Krusolis and Nayun here, all cluttering up Dioxane's registration thread.

[Kalamere]

I don't think the analogy fits Rhi. He's got no incentive to lie about it since it drops him in rank and invalidates a pending challenge, so realistically we all know that the invitation is heading his way and are just deciding for some reason to be coy about it.

I'd argue that doing this type of thing for a warlord tourney and pushing oneself up a rank is mildly different from admitting you put up a poor showing the previous weekend and dropped a rank. Even still, not all precedent is good precedent. Unless Mur was one of the folks lined up on the other side of Gwarrr and you can throw the hypocrisy card that is.

G's probably right to put a hold on his entry, if the 16 person limit is going to be enforced and that many duelists enter before Mur officially qualifies. If not though, then it seems pointless and I certainly don't understand why his action was so offensive in either case.

~Kal

[fiohelston]

I don't know what you're all arguing for. I'm going to win.

In any event - if I have done my maths right, there are still seven (or six) open slots. I'm all excited for my first I-Have-No-Idea-What-I'm-Doing Tourney. Let's not ruin that with bickering in the registration queue? I'm going to go see if I can coerc -uh, encourage - more people to try not knowing what they're doing with me.

Oh, and I think this is the part where I'm supposed to say Bring It.

[Rhiannon Brock]

Kal,

I have a great deal of respect for you, so here's the deal.

I brought this up, in part, because Mur acts like he runs this place and is above the rules. He doesn't run it, G does, and he's not above the rules. When Mur starts treating the women around here a little better and stops getting in our faces just because we don't have manly bits, maybe I'll stay of of his face.

Rhiannon Brock
Squire of Battlefield Park

[Julianna Frostbite]

While the debate is entertaining (thanks to you all) I wish to add my name to the list for the Tournament. Perhaps I can break the kryptonite that is tournaments for myself yet. Then again...I CAN read the standings and I couldn't do any worse. Count me in.

[MurOllavan]

I brought this up, in part, because Mur acts like he runs this place and is above the rules.

You're crazy. When have I acted like that? Show me.

When Mur starts treating the women around here a little better and stops getting in our faces just because we don't have manly bits, maybe I'll stay of of his face.

Kal - this is why. I wrote it above. They know I'm a big favorite over like everyone, and they get angry at me because I point it out. Because its extremely rare for them to beat me in the ring, they have to take it out in passive aggressive ways.

[MurOllavan]

G -

I originally submitted a regular white form as entry to this tournament, but I see that was not acceptable. I now submit an official Grandmaster blue form.