A Ruling on the Challenge to the Overlord

Andrea Anderson · Post by **Andrea Anderson** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:49 pm

Imp wrote:How about we give Rakeesh a test of worthiness of sorts?

Rakeesh duels 3 Barons. If he wins 2 out of 3 he proceeds to duel Matt. But if he loses 2 out of 3, then he gets stripped of his title and Matt duels a champion.

Everyone wins!

I agree. Rakeesh should have a test of worthiness leveled against him. It's obvious that some of the council do not believe he is worthy enough for his belt, or to be allowed a choice in the challenges format. I support this idea.

Post by **Kheldar** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:52 pm

I have only recently become aware of this situation, I will add my thoughts on the matter once I have taken some time to properly formulate them.

-Kheldar Drasinia

Post by **Kheldar** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:16 pm

I went and looked back through the records to see what the precedent was, and the most recent ruling by a council I could find is Xeric Muse. (( http://www.ringsofhonor.org/forums/view ... ns+council ))

Briefly,

Xeric failed to show for a scheduled challenge, with his own reasoning behind it. The council was given the following options and ended up voting for the fifth.

1. Remove the Overlord and appointing another to fight against the Challenger in his place.
2. Granting the Challenger the victory by default. (Personally I don't like this one, but it could be an option)
3. Allow the Overlord to remain in the position and reschedule the challenge.
4. Remove the Overlord, hold a Baronial Tournament, and allow the Challenger to face that person.
5. Hold a Barons Tournament, allow Xeric to enter to defend his title, and allow Drey the option to enter the tournament or face the winner of said tournament.

I believe that our current situation is close enough that a similar ruling will end up being the fairest.

Kheldar Drasinia,
Baron of New Haven

Andrea Anderson · Post by **Andrea Anderson** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:25 pm

Kheldar wrote:I went and looked back through the records to see what the precedent was, and the most recent ruling by a council I could find is Xeric Muse. (( http://www.ringsofhonor.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t =22602&highlight=barons+council ))

Briefly,

Xeric failed to show for a scheduled challenge, with his own reasoning behind it. The council was given the following options and ended up voting for the fifth.

1. Remove the Overlord and appointing another to fight against the Challenger in his place.
2. Granting the Challenger the victory by default. (Personally I don't like this one, but it could be an option)
3. Allow the Overlord to remain in the position and reschedule the challenge.
4. Remove the Overlord, hold a Baronial Tournament, and allow the Challenger to face that person.
5. Hold a Barons Tournament, allow Xeric to enter to defend his title, and allow Drey the option to enter the tournament or face the winner of said tournament.

I believe that our current situation is close enough that a similar ruling will end up being the fairest.

Kheldar Drasinia,
Baron of New Haven

I myself am for..

5. Hold a Barons Tournament, allow Xeric to enter to defend his title, and allow Drey the option to enter the tournament or face the winner of said tournament.

Option 5. is much like the gauntlet idea Imp has introduced. Allow Rakeesh and the Barons to fight it out for the top spot, then Matt challenges the winner in the end.

Anubis Karos · Post by **Anubis Karos** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:47 pm

I would like to remind the Baron of Old Market that since the Baron's Tournament will almost certainly be held after the 29th, he should keep in mind that voting for a stripping will have no personal benefit for him.

Lem DeAngelo · Post by **Lem DeAngelo** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:55 pm

While I appreciate that Rakeesh held a tournament last night, the tournament didn't last 168 hours. There were ample opportunities to at least acknowledge the challenge.

The rules state "any challenge not responded to within one week, setting a time and place, shall be considered an abdication." The challenge wasn't responded to nor was the time determined.

At a minimum, I agree with Kal's suggestion of allowing the challenger to choose the format, venue, and official.

I also think that Imp's suggestion of having Rakeesh defeat 2 barons and Kheldar's suggestion of the baron's tournament are both fair ideas.

Another option could be to take elements of all of those suggestions.

There are 7 renegade barons. Modifying Imp's suggestion, Rakeesh would need to defeat at least 3 other barons through single elimination format in order to face Matt. If Rakeesh is successful, Matt would choose the venue, format, and official which would incorporate Kal's suggestion. If Rakeesh defeated Matt, he would have defeated a majority of the renegade barons to retain his title.

If Rakeesh were unsuccessful in defeating 3 barons, a baron tournament could be held in order to name a new Overlord, which incorporates Kheldar's suggestion.

Lem DeAngelo · Post by **Lem DeAngelo** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:01 pm

Anubis Karos wrote:I would like to remind the Baron of Old Market that since the Baron's Tournament will almost certainly be held after the 29th, he should keep in mind that voting for a stripping will have no personal benefit for him.

If you're so confident that you'll beat me, shouldn't you want me to vote for a Baron's Tournament so that you can be in it? Derp.

Post by **Kheldar** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:24 am

A barons tournament and a test would be redundant. If the consensus is a test than you might as well eliminate the extra step and just have the winner face Matt, assuming he doesn't wish to just participate in the tournament.

-Kheldar Drasinia

DUEL Norah · Post by **DUEL Norah** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:30 am

I have reviewed all suggestions.

I will be contacting each Baron with the options and to hear their votes.

- Norah Vanderhildt

DUEL Norah · Post by **DUEL Norah** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:32 am

Let me first extend my thanks to the Baron's Council in helping reach a resolution in the matter. I understand that my way of handling it was something of a departure from how it was previously done. Having had my taste of the process, I believe the Council will be set to handle further issues without my presence. Going forward, the matter of any title holder that fails to respond in a timely matter will be given to the Council to decide and the rules will be rewritten to reflect such.

With that said, I'm sure you are all only interested in the results.

The Council has ruled:

The Overlord will retain his title.
The challenge will continue.
Choice of format, overseeing official, and location will be the Baron's right.
The Baron will not be Tested.

This challenge is required to take place within two weeks of this announcement's posting.

- Norah Vanderhildt

Andrea Anderson · Post by **Andrea Anderson** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:35 am

Though still disappointed in Rakeesh's actions, I can say I'm happy to see this is the turn out.

I wish both of you luck.

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