Rhy'Din Map Project

[Jake]

Adding to the last post...

Using Cadonia for example this time. We won't be adding Cadonia to this map.

The player who created/used Cadonia for her setting was Siera (unless someone knows something I don't) and she did have Cadonia removed from the old map. At least part of the reason for that removal (I am presuming) had to do with protecting her intellectual property in the event that she ever published a story about Siera.

She's delighted by the way that there's a Redwin Memorial on the map, but beyond that I don't think we'll be adding places like Cadonia to the map because we don't want to infringe upon a property that someone might be trying to use in publishing a regular book or similar product.

Again, hope that makes sense, and helps better illustrate why we don't want to just add every place that has ever been mentioned in our past.

[Xenograg]

Back to the ol' drawing board for me, then.

I had planned to ask Siera's player about Cadonia before I went ahead with my plan. Thanks for mentioning it here, Jake.

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My personal thought on the subject is that if some people haven't been around or played hardly at all in the last couple years, I wouldn't want their "lands" really included in the new map.

I think preferential treatment should be given, at least, to people who are currently playing. If they don't have a specific character, then I wouldn't want to see their land included in the map if they haven't been here in the last 5 years.

I hope I am making sense, and I'm really not trying to step on toes with that opinion.

[Elijah]

No one is disputing the value or the history of a lot of places of interest that has been contributed by many fine players over the years in this dueling/role-playing community. But quite frankly, Valmion's plyaer has no buisness having Questrion on the NEW RhyDin map. Or at the very least not occupying the immiedtae east of the city of RhyDin for a good amount of space. Just as Luthien's player's New Mountainside has no buisness occupying the immeidtae area to the west of the city like it used to. Same for MydKnyght's Mount Bane has no buisness being the realm just to the north of the city. All of these old places do have a lot to do with our characters developments and their histories in the ring.

You all made the dumb choice to strip the number of baron rings availble in DoS and pick whatever numbers you did, even though I personally am rather pissed off that it seems any title my characters have had in the past no longer exists. So in essence my characters history in DoS is gone. It really is no different with the map. Tough choices had to be made, and in this case the criteria is pretty easy

If you are not around playing and contributing to this community anymore, why should your stuff get preference over other people's stuff. If Valmion's player thinks it would be cool to have Questrion on the new map, then tell him to get his ass back here and start playing again.

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While I am still opposed to the ring reduction, it was a well executed storyline, not a dumb choice. It was, also, a difficult choice to make, but one done in the best interest of the forum. Note, the rings histories are *still* there, and there are ways to get those rings back.(Exchanging one for the other via story. This hasn't been hashed out entirely yet) But this is all for another thread rather than the map.

And while I agree if people aren't around dueling or participating that they shouldn't get a place on the map just because of past history, I would have tried phrasing it better.

[Shahai Iida]

There are pros and cons to having the history of how we got here being part of the map. The thing that interests me is that we tend to believe in the OOC world that our history matters, that it's important to shaping our culture into what it is, and helps define where we are going.

Because I do believe our history is important, I think it's important to have the records show that which we have been given rights to include. Siera's player pulled her part of the story, that's great. Valmion's player has given us authorization to use the Questrion name. Now, for those who were here when Questrion was at it's zenith, that realm and player did a lot for the growth of role playing and participation. It was a great time to have been playing.

Should Questrion retain its "prime real estate" on the new map? Probably not, but could the old realms be made as an overlay of the existing map, to show where the great realms once stood? Why not? What's wrong with having an overlay that shows us where the old borders once stood?

My two cents.

[Alais d Nitesong]

Just for the record, Alais and Legendazona were both part and parcel of Questrion. Alaisia was wed to Valmion, and Legendazona and Moralitor were nearly partners.

I do have some say about Questrion, although the actual creation and development belonged to Valmion, I was very much a participant in that initial launch of Questrion.

Because of my association with Valmion and Questrion, I took the initiative to ask him if he wanted to be included in the event that the old realms would be mapped. Alais would stand for the inclusion in some manner. Questrion is as much a part of my character's history as it was Valmion, who has chosen to play elsewhere.

[Shakira]

I actually very much liked the idea of having places like Questrion, for example, mentioned on the map in different ways. Like maybe after all these years Questrion is a ruin, or abandoned castle. I always pictured Questrion as a castle, maybe I'm wrong. I liked also the idea of having a mountain named after Questrion or a river maybe. Same for some of the old places. They are gone, but still remembered somehow.

[Alais d Nitesong]

I have no argument with Questrion being a ruin. I have arguement with it being left off entirely.

[Elijah]

Sorry for the abbrassiveness of my last post if it seemed that way.

I like the compromise that was discussed earlier in this thread of naming major geographical features for the older realms not actively used anymore. I also think it a good idea having some ruins as namesakes around. For instance one of my new main characters, Joku, as a realm of his own. Echigo Highlands, but I would not mind at all if in some part of the realm there was the "Questrion Ruins" that was the remains of a castle strucutre or something.

If I am not mistaken, I think there is a Historical Society of RhyDin building on the city map, perhaps we should start a "real" historical society. Select things throughout history that must always be represented in some fashion or another. The long time active players still around still have the run of the land and the map, but certain things no matter what would always be represented in certain spots.

[Melgarth]

Does anyone have any of Daegarth's original posts saved about where the Phoenix grounds were? I was just getting into the duel scene at that point, and was not active in the storyline parts of Rhydin. I have been loathe to start any story lines about bringing back the grounds as I didn't want to step on any toes with others ideas of where things should be. I think this map is going to make everything a lot easier for a lot of people to bring in their lines. If no one has any idea of where the Phoenix grounds are, could it be added outside the city, I don't really have a preference where as long as I'm not interfering with anyone else.

Thanks for all the hard work you guys are doing, it's been fun to come back to all of the RP, and not the grazers.

[Elijah]

I remember reading about the Phoenix tower as a place on RhyDin, but I honestly don't remember seeing it on any maps or heard mention where in reference it was to other places on RhyDin maps. Daegarth's player was good at maintaining that fine line of not commiting to a define parameter while working with what was common use of RhyDin knowledge. But yes, the Phoenix Tower is as important to represent as many other places and names mentioned in this thread.

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I'm sure I can figure the perfect place to have the GIT placed...

[Rory Laurent]

Does anyone have any of Daegarth's original posts saved about where the Phoenix grounds were?

I remember a post called "Gone" from archiving the histories when Daegarth disappeared and Lyon became Daegarth. Didn't the towers disappear at that point?

I'm not sure if that talked about where the towers actually were and don't think there's anything else in there but you might want to go into the Message Archives section and do a keyword search for "Daegarth" and "Phoenix". I know that "Gone" post will come up. Maybe something else helpful will as well.

[Melgarth]

I remember the storyline, although it was good to read back over it again. At the end, I stepped through the portal and recreated the towers although that is not posted. I don't remember if we forgot to put it on the boards, or if we decided not to. However, the Towers are back in place. I mentioned not knowing what was in Dae's tower as he was the only one ever allowed in, so it is just a husk. Again, all I know is it was outside the city, I don't know where.

Thanks for the pointer to the old posts.

~Marc