Tag-Team option question.

[Andrea Anderson]

Theoretically. If I were to make a Tag-Team title (Like the current and unused DoS Tag-Team belt ( here's some old rankings for **** and giggles )) and introduce it to DoF, would there be interest in it?

The idea is to do maybe a 4 team tournament, first come first serve to sign ups, just to get the title in circulation. From there challenges could be made from any created team to the current title holders. Opal-like rules applied upon gaining and defending the title ( 7 days grace upon gaining, 30 days grace upon defending ). This can be tweaked if it's thought that might be too little time upon gaining.

It'll be completely outside of the Opal / Diamond titles and be something community driven so Coordinators aren't burdened with any extra responsibility.

Rules would be pretty much past DoF tag-team rules. Two players can make a team, share their mods, and go at it. Emeralds could make a team between themselves, but I think 12 mods between them might be overkill, so maybe there could be a mod-cap (Maybe 8: Jade+Jade = 4, Ruby+Ruby = 6, Sapphire+Sapphire=8 [10 being capped to 8], Emerald+Emerald=8 [12 being capped to 8]. Mods shared, so mixing and matching ranks is possible). The rule of Emeralds only being allowed to have a sapphire or lower join their team is possible too. If anyone wants to touch on mods/other rules with their own ideas, feel free. This is an open discussion to gauge if there's possible interest.

[DemiBob]

I've seriously been dying for a DoF tag-team title for ages.

[Andrea Anderson]

I've seriously been dying for a DoF tag-team title for ages.

That's one!

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Another question that comes to mind is what to possibly do in case of title forfeiture; be it team breakup or inactivity.

I'd say tracking inactivity via standings could be done, if a member of a team become inactive after 90 days, then the title could be taken away. Mason had a nice suggestion in one of the other threads, and it could possibly be done here.

If a Tag-Team title is somehow taken away due to inactivity, it could pass down to the next top contenders for the title. It could either be the runner up team from the first tournament, if they accept it, or to one of the former challengers of the title who had the best point for / point again rate. That way activity is kept and the title is not put out of the loop.

There's also an option of just letting the title sit as is, inactivity or not, and if a challenge is not answered then the belts automatically go to them due to disqualification.

I'm probably thinking ahead of myself since I'm still trying to gauge if there's interest.

[Kheldar]

I think leaving the activity requirement to only defending when required seems fine.

Additionally, I'd be open to a semi regular (once a month/six weeks or whatever) tag team Wednesday night to help support the idea by allow people to practice/showcase the format.

[Noah Bird]

I would do this!

[DemiBob]

I would propose just putting a fixed number of mods on teams, by the way, independent of the mods possessed by the duelers in regulation dueling. Something between 4 and 6. Seems more open to newer duelers imo, and it could serve as a way to get people into fists or out to duel.

[Andrea Anderson]

I would propose just putting a fixed number of mods on teams, by the way, independent of the mods possessed by the duelers in regulation dueling. Something between 4 and 6. Seems more open to newer duelers imo, and it could serve as a way to get people into fists or out to duel.

It's an odd situation. I'm all for having it be a flat mod that all teams share. It makes things more inclusive. On the other hand, I see benefits of giving maybe small perks to those who are willing to rank in regulation for the chance of having a smaller edge.

If the shared-pool was used. An emerald could team with a non-rank and they would have 6 mods all together. This would hopefully promote high ranks to participate with low ranks. If I recall correctly, the last tag-event used whichever duelists mods were of the highest rank. So if you partied with a ruby, you were splitting 3 mods, but if you partied with an emerald, you would have 6.

I'm trying to figure a middle ground. Maybe glass/no ranks are given 1 mod, so if they do party with an emerald then it pushes it to 7. 7 then becomes the max mod - so an emerald is more likely to party with anyone below rank because they benefit from it all. This then puts a strain on if you're a ruby or sapphire looking to party with a rank below as well.. So it comes back to maybe allowing all players to have a six mod limit when it comes to tag team.

Either that, or if you are an emerald, your team is given a 1 mod+ boosted perk. So you sit at 7. Current title holders of the belt are given a +2 and sit at 8. Everyone has mods, and the differences are very small. Teams consisting of non-Emerald fighters then having the minimum 6.

This is mostly brainstorming, I'm not committed 100% to one thing or the other.

I think leaving the activity requirement to only defending when required seems fine.

I'm starting to lean that way too. That way the only pressure comes if a team is challenged or willingly breaks up due to RP or commitment reasons. I'd like this to be really relaxed, something anyone can grab a buddy and compete for.

Additionally, I'd be open to a semi regular (once a month/six weeks or whatever) tag team Wednesday night to help support the idea by allow people to practice/showcase the format.

Makes me miss the SEB DoF Nights. Totally appreciate it and would be totally down to support!

[Andrea Anderson]

Also wanted to add: the title doesn't necessarily have to be belts. I recall a story I was once told some years back about how old Opal winners of the past sometimes used a gauntlet (I think?) to hold their Opal while they fought. The tag-title could be a nod to that, with both fighters getting a gauntlet each.

A vague name of "Tag Team Championship" could then be used for it. Then again, some might like belts or something else fist-related.

[Kheldar]

Also wanted to add: the title doesn't necessarily have to be belts. I recall a story I was once told some years back about how old Opal winners of the past sometimes used a gauntlet (I think?) to hold their Opal while they fought. The tag-title could be a nod to that, with both fighters getting a gauntlet each.

A vague name of "Tag Team Championship" could then be used for it. Then again, some might like belts or something else fist-related.

Well there was Stormfist, which held all the opals at one point.

I think when Kheld initially won Pathfinder it was in some kind of bracer he wore on his arm initially.

Belts are pretty cool too though. There was a tag team league once upon a time they probably had a belt.

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Complete digression but both duelers wearing a gauntlet lead me down the path of tag team where duelers are chained together a la gladiator. Both teams fighting concurrently, and nether move a team uses one round being available to either dueler the next round. Anyway not actually suggesting it, just a thought I had for a twist on the format and wanted to get it down somewhere before it went away. Disregard.

[Andrea Anderson]

Well there was Stormfist, which held all the opals at one point.

I think when Kheld initially won Pathfinder it was in some kind of bracer he wore on his arm initially.

I think that's it! The bracer might have been what was mentioned but my mind automatically went to gauntlet since I don't see the word bracer used as often.

Complete digression but both duelers wearing a gauntlet lead me down the path of tag team where duelers are chained together a la gladiator. Both teams fighting concurrently, and nether move a team uses one round being available to either dueler the next round. Anyway not actually suggesting it, just a thought I had for a twist on the format and wanted to get it down somewhere before it went away. Disregard.

Could come in the form of a tournament if the title ever goes vacant. I'm totally open with ideas for different tournament formats while challenges themselves keep to maybe a normal ruleset. Something to set the two apart.

[DUEL Kheldar]

Looks like the original Tag Team Brawling League was belts

https://duelingzone.org/duelarchives/vi ... light=ttbl

[Andrea Anderson]

Looks like the original Tag Team Brawling League was belts

https://duelingzone.org/duelarchives/vi ... light=ttbl

All those teams. Why my 13 year old self couldn't have jumped into the HOSTed rooms and instead of keeping to the A&E Forest and RDI.

Hm.. Then since there's historical precedence, and could hopefully be seen as a good way to bridge past and present, then maybe the titles should be belts.

Here's the basic idea I have right now.

Same tag-team rules that have been used in past tournaments. Including one-time use double attacks.

Mod count being as followed.

Glass - Sapphire teams = 6 Mods shared
Emerald Teams & Emerald + Glass/Jade/Ruby/Sapphire = 7 Mods shared
Current Tag Title Holders = 8 Mods shared

Tournaments held maybe bi-cycle, a tag-team that lasts all the way throughout while weathering challenges can get some sort of special recognition; even more if they choose to go into the tournament to defend their title ( they will be allowed to use their 8 shared mods as reigning holders ). If not, then a new tag-team is crowned the holders and goes on from there. [This can be scrapped if challenges-only seem to be preferred]

Activity requirements. As the title holders, you are not required to be active (though appreciated!). Any lack of activity can be countered with challenges. If a team breaks up on their own or retires the titles, it will be passed to the highest ranking team of the prior tournament, or to the team that tried challenging for the title in the past, fell short, but still had the best points for / points against ratio. If a team does not answer to a challenge then it is seen as a disqualification and the titles go to the challenging team (most likely with an asterisk). This team doesn't get a cool-down period where they are unable to be challenged to start, they must defend their title from any challenging team first. If they defend, they are given their cool-down period. This way it's viewed as them earning the belts. (Not so sure on this. Maybe a small cool down period, but not the full length.)

I think that's the basic concept. I'm trying not to load it with too many rules, since I like the motto of KISS, so if there's a way to gut here and there but keep the concept both enjoyable and competitive, i'm all ears. And again, this isn't 100% set in stone what's written here. This thread is still early and anyone can chime in with ideas for mods, etc, and I'll weigh some options.

[Andrea Anderson]

I've been thinking of activity some. Now, I love the idea of a new character being made and attempting to go after the title. But I'd also like to promote regulation in DoF, which is why I believe a small rule such as: If you're interested in challenging for the title, you must at least have 1 regulation duel and be listed on the current standings. This may / may not be cycle relelated; and will not be enforced on title holders ( though if they are taken off the standings after a year.. then there might be issues, possibly? )

This way the characters name (At least up to a year before being placed off the standings) can be there for possible recognition in the form of maybe a standings related title next to their name, which is something spoken of in other threads. That, along with showing they are part of the DoF community.

I'd really like a way for regulation to benefit, even if it's a single duel from players looking get on the standings simply to challenge for the title. To keep things simple, I'd say from the time they are introduced to the time they are removed ( if inactive for a year ), they are allowed to challenge the tag-team title with anyone who is also still on the standings.

With Kheldar offering possible once a month allowance of tag-team fights in rooms, I'm hoping teams will come out to debut themselves, support the idea, or anything of the sort.

Would this be seen as fair enough?

[Lilith Anderson]

+1 in support of the idea

[Andrea Anderson]

Idea 2 - compared to this post.

Treat the Tag Team Title as a tournament gained title. Different tournaments take place, once a cycle, the winners are crowned the tag-team champions until the next tournament takes place. Everyone in these tournaments, no matter the rank they hold in regulation, hold the same mods (exception being the current title-holders, who may join to defend their title).

Once a month / every six weeks options to try out the format, with big thanks to Kheldar, can be seen as practice for the big event. Those who participate could be able to up their seeding in the tournament.

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So, I'm wondering from those who are interested. Would you rather the title be challenge-able, and are you interested in challenging for it? Or would you rather it be something that your team can hold for a cycle between tournaments? That way there's more time to roleplay and experiment with it.

The tournaments could also have special formats, like Kheldar suggested, to spice things up every now and then. Think of it as an All-Ranks-Tournament for Duel of Fists. Something for everyone.