My own DoM proposal.

[Tasslehofl Momus]

Oh and Neo, I don't know the official policy, but I feel like ART wins used to count on the record, but not towards your date of last duel. That could help with keeper/ART abuse.

This is what *isn't* being done, even though the rules clearly state that it should be. This is one of the reasons why I've removed myself from these talks as well as DoM itself.

Maintaining the Keeper Title

To Maintain their status title the bearer of the title *MUST*:

1. Remain an Active member of the Duel of Magic. Should a Keeper retire or become inactive, he or she will lose the right to bear their Keeper status. To maintain active status, a Keeper must duel twice a month, and maintain a presence on the (IC) message board. Tournament duels and challenge matches do not count towards meeting these requirements.

[Wulfson]

Thinking back..maybe winning is incentive enough really. In DoS I know the big goal is to beat Jef Oakenshields 400 WoL, for DoM it is Steven's 200. Those are HUGE mile markers in skill.

Steven's what? He's almost a hundred short of that mark.

[Lem DeAngelo]

Steven's what? He's almost a hundred short of that mark.

Everyone who's anyone knows that Big Willie Style Wulfson is the WoL king. Followed by Mike of Mana I'd guess.

[Neo Eternity]

To get back ON topic, I gave thought to Jakes idea and I see no reason why they cannot be integrated.

Apprentice has access to 1 Advanced spell per cycle. It goes beside their name permanantly, if they zero out they get to choose again. From there we step up to Enchanter who get access to the full Matrix with the +1 by their name to denote that they can use any 1 of the four per duel. +2 at Sorceror, +3 At Magician. Wizard gets all four spells and has to work towards that 20 WoL to get one of the last two spells.

This is actually the best way, to me at least, to integrate both without shaking the can too much.

What's with you lately? I mean... not trying to sound mean or anything, but messing up Will's WoL, and then Steven's WoL, and then misinterpreting Jake's proposal. That's a lot of little mistakes to make in one day. Are you alright, man?

Jake's idea is actually where everyone has one dynamic spell from the beginning. You get to pick it before each duel. You ascend to enchanter, then pick a spell to keep permanently, in addition to the dynamic spell. Once you get to magician, you pretty much have all four, because you've still got that dynamic spell. Thus, the rank above is obsoleted.

To put it another way... his idea is to give the effects of the Ring of Klytus to every duelist. I had the benefit of the "try before you buy" philosophy he's proposing, for many cycles. As theorized a while back in the other thread, it may have helped me on my way to Mage. So there's one sucess story using this philosophy already. Thus, we'd likely have to think of something new for RoK to do.

Oh and Neo, I don't know the official policy, but I feel like ART wins used to count on the record, but not towards your date of last duel. That could help with keeper/ART abuse.

This is what *isn't* being done, even though the rules clearly state that it should be. This is one of the reasons why I've removed myself from these talks as well as DoM itself.

So wait... multiple negatives are confusing me. Are you saying ART wins should *not* be counting toward the last activity date?

If that's the case, shoot Xerzes a PM. And let me make this very clear.

I am NOT the standings keeper! That is Xerzes! All I do is beautify the standings and bug people for spells when they haven't sent. That's it. You still need to send him spells, and you still need to notify him of standings errors.

[Scorched Druid]

I think Tass is hinting that Xerzes should be aware of that part of the rules since it pertains to his job with the sport.

And Neo, one is IC intentional, the other is OOC goof, are you sure you're all right?

[Scorched Druid]

A second Proposal from me.

DoS and DoF have the Squire and Mentor programs where low ranked duelists get a little bonus. Been considering one for DoM a very long time now.

So I present Mage Adept (Working Title.)

Mages may take on an Adept (student) of their choice through any means they wish. While dueling under their Teacher's supvervision each Adept has access to the mages top tier spell. In the case of studying under a Mage Emeritus the Emertitus chooses what spell they can use for that match. However they are limited to using this spell against opponents of the same rank or higher. So an Enchanter could not use their Mage Adept spell against an apprentice, nor a Soceror against an Enchanter and so on. The only time this rule becomes void is when dueling another Mage Adept.

How this concept works and the lower rank is able to cast the higher tier spell is simply the Mage tells the Adept the proper incantation that allows them to access it within the rings.

I was considering that if the Mage is also a Keeper, their Adept would have access to that towers Elemental Fury while the mage is watching and only against other Keeper Adept's or Keeper's themselves. However that seemed a little overkill.

Thoughts?

[Neo Eternity]

Slow down a bit. We're all still busy processing and considering the other proposals, and there are a lot of them.

[Carley]

A second Proposal from me.

DoS and DoF have the Squire and Mentor programs where low ranked duelists get a little bonus. Been considering one for DoM a very long time now.

So I present Mage Adept (Working Title.)

Mages may take on an Adept (student) of their choice through any means they wish. While dueling under their Teacher's supvervision each Adept has access to the mages top tier spell. In the case of studying under a Mage Emeritus the Emertitus chooses what spell they can use for that match. However they are limited to using this spell against opponents of the same rank or higher. So an Enchanter could not use their Mage Adept spell against an apprentice, nor a Soceror against an Enchanter and so on. The only time this rule becomes void is when dueling another Mage Adept.

How this concept works and the lower rank is able to cast the higher tier spell is simply the Mage tells the Adept the proper incantation that allows them to access it within the rings.

I was considering that if the Mage is also a Keeper, their Adept would have access to that towers Elemental Fury while the mage is watching and only against other Keeper Adept's or Keeper's themselves. However that seemed a little overkill.

Thoughts?

I think this is more valid than the idea of changing the matrix, honestly.

[Harris]

A second Proposal from me.

DoS and DoF have the Squire and Mentor programs where low ranked duelists get a little bonus. Been considering one for DoM a very long time now.

So I present Mage Adept (Working Title.)

Mages may take on an Adept (student) of their choice through any means they wish. While dueling under their Teacher's supvervision each Adept has access to the mages top tier spell. In the case of studying under a Mage Emeritus the Emertitus chooses what spell they can use for that match. However they are limited to using this spell against opponents of the same rank or higher. So an Enchanter could not use their Mage Adept spell against an apprentice, nor a Soceror against an Enchanter and so on. The only time this rule becomes void is when dueling another Mage Adept.

How this concept works and the lower rank is able to cast the higher tier spell is simply the Mage tells the Adept the proper incantation that allows them to access it within the rings.

I was considering that if the Mage is also a Keeper, their Adept would have access to that towers Elemental Fury while the mage is watching and only against other Keeper Adept's or Keeper's themselves. However that seemed a little overkill.

Thoughts?

I agree that the other ideas need some time before more start popping up. And on that note I'm gonna step up and shoot this down right off the bat. It's a *MAGE* spell for a reason. Only a Mage should have access to it. Allowing the other ranks access to the Mage spells only dilutes the Mage rank. You cut down the advantage of making Mage from choosing a unique spell and entering the AMT to simply entering the AMT.

Something seems incredibly off about an Enchanter using a Mage spell against a higher rank or a Mage, or having an advantage of choosing which Mage spell they want to use. There are some Mages that have never had access to the other Mage spell they didn't choose, but an Enchanter could possibly be given the option to swap between spells? No thanks.

[Scorched Druid]

So we need to discuss the pros and cons of the following, and/or do playtesting:

* Add MS to the basic tier

*Add AB to the basic tier

*Grant access to all advanced spells

*Change all double advantages

*Upgrade all offensive advantages to full points

Just so there is thread unity adding the recap of what all has been discussed to this as well even though both Neo and Tass said the 'Aspect' thread was strictly for Removing a Rank and adding an Advanced spell the the matrix and to make a new thread for all other ideas.

[DUEL Topaz]

Thank you everyone for suggestions and for bringing up valid concerns. Neo and I have considered every post made in this thread carefully and we have talked at length over all the positive and negative implications of the original proposal. This is what we came up with in order to adopt as much of the proposal as possible without taking away anything from the already existing RoK and to keep regular dueling and challenges as simple as possible.

Your spell choices as you advance in rank will no longer be considered permanent. You may at any time, up to once per week, contact the standings keeper (Xerzes) by PM with a request to change your old spell selection/s to new spell selection/s. Just as soon as the new standings reflect this change you may duel with the new spell.


On changing the requirements in order to challenge for a Keeper Title.. I am against making it more difficult to challenge for the keeper titles.

[Lem DeAngelo]

Is the only change being considered?

[Scorched Druid]

If that's what's been decided, might as well not change a thing as this is akin to losing rank and then getting it back where you can change spell choice.

[Neo Eternity]

I agree that the other ideas need some time before more start popping up. And on that note I'm gonna step up and shoot this down right off the bat. It's a *MAGE* spell for a reason. Only a Mage should have access to it. Allowing the other ranks access to the Mage spells only dilutes the Mage rank. You cut down the advantage of making Mage from choosing a unique spell and entering the AMT to simply entering the AMT.

Something seems incredibly off about an Enchanter using a Mage spell against a higher rank or a Mage, or having an advantage of choosing which Mage spell they want to use. There are some Mages that have never had access to the other Mage spell they didn't choose, but an Enchanter could possibly be given the option to swap between spells? No thanks.

I agree with Harris here. I didn't think about it when I last posted because I didn't want to think about the idea at the time.

The Mage spells are overpowered anyways, in my opinion. NR is offensively overpowered and IM is defensively overpowered. We don't need them flying all over the place. It's already bad enough that some Magi use them against low ranks.

[Neo Eternity]

Is the only change being considered?

Of course not. We just figured this'd be a good place to start. We found it perfectly reasonable that someone should be able to change their selected spells in an official manner without first losing a bunch of duels or creating a new character.