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Spring Cycle 2019 New Challenge Rules Testing (IMPORTANT!)

Post by PC » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:58 pm

Kept for historical reference. These tested rules discontinue on 7/7/2019 at 6 PM EST.

For this upcoming 2019 Spring Cycle (April the 7th at 6 PM EST). We will be testing new rules for the challenge process. It is a retooled sort of Show of Activity (SoA) for those who remember it. To differentiate I will be calling it Proof of Activity. Sounds kinda lame, I know, but I’d rather not confuse players who see SoA and automatically think of the old system.

The Challenge System Now

Once a duelist reaches the rank of Warlord they are given 2 Challenge Rights per cycle. They can choose to either use 1 challenge right to challenge for a Baron, or 2 challenge rights to challenge the Overlord. Once both challenge rights are spent for the cycle, they are gone. The only way to regain the ability to challenge is to win or be gifted a special challenge grant or wait until the next cycle.

The Proposal Being Tested

Warlords

There will be no more challenge rights once a duelist reaches the rank of Warlord that allow them to challenge for titles. Instead, challenges will be available upon making rank and there will be a cool off period between failed challenges. Think Duel of Fists and Duel of Magic and their wait periods after a failed challenge, except there will be tweaks.

A failed challenge against a Baron by a Warlord would result in a 30 day waiting period before any new challenge can be issued by the Warlord, starting the day after their failed challenge. Special grants to challenge a Baron will supersede this wait period.

A failed challenge against the Overlord by a Warlord would result in a 60 day waiting period before any new challenge can be issued by the Warlord, starting the day after their failed challenge. Special grants to challenge a Baron/Overlord will supersede this wait period.

A Warlord will have the ability to speed up their wait period. How? By dueling during regulation hours.

The Waiting Period Reset

5 Winning Duels = Resets the Warlords failed challenge 30 day wait period.
10 Winning Duels = Resets the Warlords failed challenge 60 day wait period.


A Warlord will then be allowed to challenge for a title within the 30/60 day period so long as they submit their duels within the challenge post. Ranks will not matter for the process of gaining proofs.

Example:

Subject: Challenge for Battlefield Park
Body: Screw this wait period, I got my duels and I'm challenging for this title!

Proof of Activity
PC .def. Candle, 5-2 in 10 DoS
PC .def. Lisa Takamine, 5-4 in 6 DoS
PC .def. Kalamere, 6-5 in 12 DoS
PC .def. JewellRavenlock, 5-4 in 5 DoS
PC .def. Claire Farron, 5-3 in 7 DoS


With the proposed rule in place, this challenge would be valid -- as the Warlord offered proof of their activity in exchange for removing the cool off period. Once used, these proof of activity duels are spent and should the Warlord lose their next challenge, they will need to duel once more to gain their needed proofs, or wait out the waiting period. Collection of activity may begin the day after a failed challenge, but cannot be used until the Official Standings are updated to reflect the challenge results.

So as an example: Lose a Baron challenge on Friday, fight 5 winning duels Saturday, be allowed to challenge once more for a Barony on Sunday after the standings are updated (as long as you provide the proof of the duels for verification in your challenge post).

Proofs are not a requirement for all players wishing to challenge. Proofs are only for those who want to bypass the waiting periods. This is an optional way to gain the ability to re-challenge.

The End of a Cycle: The 30/60 day wait periods are reset at the beginning of every new cycle. Much like how challenge rights were automatically reset at the beginning of a new cycle.

Should a challenge made at the end of a cycle be fought during the beginning of the next, wait periods will still apply should the Warlord lose.

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Special Grants

Challenge Grants are considered special cases and grant users will not suffer the 30/60 day wait penalty should they lose. Special Grants also supersede the 7 day wait period of a former Baron/Overlord. If a Warlord (or lower rank) lose a challenge they issued with the grant they will not suffer a wait time penalty, unless they are already under the effects of a 30/60 waiting period.

Example:

Na-rae challenges for Battlefield Park and the fight takes place on March the 1st.
Na-rae loses and her 30 day wait period starts on March the 2nd.
The Overlord gives Na-rae the Overlord Grant on March the 2nd as well.
Na-rae waits until Sunday the 7th at 6 PM EST for the DoS Standings to update.
Once Standings are updated the Battleifeld Park challenge is considered complete, Na-rae uses the grant (Which supersedes her wait period) to challenge for Seaside.
The Baron accepts on Monday the 8th and they fight Friday the 12th.
Na-rae loses, but since a grant is a special case her wait period isn't effected.
Na-rae is still under the wait period from the Battlefield Park challenge and must wait it out before she can challenge normally, or opt to gain 5 wins to challenge earlier.


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Overlord Benefits

Should an Overlord have a Majority of Loyal Barons (4/3 of Barons in favor of the Overlord), then the Overlord will be given a 30 day grace period after successfully defending their title against a Warlord. No other duelist of the Warlord Rank will be able to challenge them*. The grace period will end should there be a change to a Renegade majority.

1. Renegade Barons will still be able to challenge for Overlord, and their challenge will supersede this 30 day grace period.

2. The rules for banished Loyal Barons will be the same as they are written now -- in other words, a challenge made by a banished Loyal Baron will supersede all other challenges.

* Special Cases: Warlords who win an Overlord Challenge Grants won via the Warlord Tournament, Madness, or any special events, will supersede wait periods. This will also count as a normal Warlord challenge and the grace period will be rewarded to the Overlord for successfully defending. Should the Overlord have been within grace, and the grant user supersede it, then grace will reset back to 30 days once the challenge process is complete and the Overlord defends.

An Overlords 30 day grace period will begin when the Official Standings are updated to reflect the challenge results (Sunday's at 6 PM EST). Should the Official Standings be late, the 30 day grace period will still begin at 6 PM EST on the Sunday after a successful challenge. Challenges to the Overlord by Renegade Barons or special grant holders will still need to follow the challenge process in those rare times standings are updated late. (aka, a challenge isn't considered officially over until the official standings are updated).

The End of a Cycle: The Overlords Grace against Warlord challenges will continue on into a new cycle.

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Should a Baron or Overlord fail to defend their title

The rule will be the same. A Baron/Overlord who fails to defend their title must wait 7 days, starting after the official standings are updated to show the results of the challenge (6:00 PM EST on Sunday), before they are able to challenge again. This will not be reset should a new cycle begin at the start of their wait period. Special Grants supersede the 7 day wait period of a former Baron/Overlord.

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If you have any questions feel free to respond to this thread or message me directly here or on Discord. This is a test and I look forward to a discussion toward the end of the Spring cycle once we see how things go. Should it be successful? Great! Not? We can talk about tweaks or even go back to Challenge Rights.

Thank you for reading! :clap:
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Re: Spring Cycle 2019 New Challenge Rules Testing (IMPORTANT!)

Post by PC » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Since it wasn't covered fully in the original post,

Special Grants

Challenge Grants are considered special cases and grant users will not suffer the 30/60 day wait penalty should they lose. If a Warlord (or lower rank) lose a challenge they issued with the grant they will not suffer a wait time penalty, unless they are already under the effects of a 30/60 waiting period.

Example:

Na-rae challenges for Battlefield Park and the fight takes place on April the 1st.
Na-rae loses and her 30 day wait period starts on April the 2nd.
The Overlord gives Na-rae the Overlord Grant on April the 2nd as well.
Na-rae waits until Sunday the 7th at 6 PM EST for the DoS Standings to update.
Once Standings are updated the Battleifeld Park challenge is considered complete, Na-rae uses the grant (Which supersedes her wait period) to challenge for Seaside.
The Baron accepts on Monday the 8th and they fight Friday the 12th.
Na-rae loses, but since a grant is a special case her wait period isn't effected.
Na-rae is still under the wait period from the Battlefield Park challenge and must wait it out before she can challenge normally, or opt to gain 5 wins to challenge earlier.
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Re: Spring Cycle 2019 New Challenge Rules Testing (IMPORTANT!)

Post by PC » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:58 pm

We've added...

Challenge Grants are considered special cases and grant users will not suffer the 30/60 day wait penalty should they lose. Special Grants also supersede the 7 day wait period of a former Baron/Overlord. If a Warlord (or lower rank) lose a challenge they issued with the grant they will not suffer a wait time penalty, unless they are already under the effects of a 30/60 waiting period.

Under Special Grants and...

The rule will be the same. A Baron/Overlord who fails to defend their title must wait 7 days, starting after the official standings are updated to show the results of the challenge (6:00 PM EST on Sunday), before they are able to challenge again. This will not be reset should a new cycle begin at the start of their wait period. Special Grants supersede the 7 day wait period of a former Baron/Overlord.

under "Should a Baron of Overlord fail to defend their title"

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Example: If you were to lose a barony on a Saturday then join the Warlord Tournament on Sunday and win a Barony or Grant. These are special cases so of course it would supersede the 7 day wait period.

I've always assumed this was the case in the rules but it should still be something added since, without nothing written, it can be confusing.
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Spring Cycle 2019 New Challenge Rules Discontinued & Return of Challenge Rights this coming cycle (Please Read).

Post by PC » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:42 pm

Hello all! We’ve been watching the cycle progress and through discussions between ourselves and questions/concerns brought up to me by members of the community, we’ve decided that the tested rules will not be used in this coming Summer 2019 cycle. We will instead be returning to Challenge Rights -- but also allowing a pathway for active duelists to enter back into the challenge game should they use their 2 per cycle.

I’m sure a lot of you know how the challenge right system works, we’ve been using it for more than a few years. Below is a post explaining what changes will be to the system and how the system works for those who are new or returning, but... Feel free to skip and go with this tl;dr if you like: “Challenge rights are coming back starting this Summer Cycle (7/7/2019) and you’ll be able to regain any you’ve used throughout the cycle by winning duels in regulation -- starting the following night after a challenge (failed or won). 5 winning duels = 1 challenge right. Maximum of 2 rights may be held at a time. Just be sure to list your winning duels in new challenges so they can be verified.”

Now for the semi-long post.

Simplifying the Tested Challenge System in DoS ( Returning to and expanding Challenge Rights )

Warlords are given 2 challenge rights per cycle. They may use 1 challenge right to challenge for a Baron, or 2 to challenge the Overlord. If a Warlord uses their challenge rights they must wait until the following cycle or gain a special grant before they can challenge again. This is what is currently listed on the official Duel of Swords Rules. [ You can see the official rules here (link) ]

What will be added: If a Warlord uses their challenge rights they must either wait until the following cycle or gain the needed wins and convert them into a new challenge right(s). 5 Wins = 1 Challenge Right.

Challenge Rights & How to Gain Them

A Warlord can only have a maximum of 2 challenge rights at a time throughout a cycle. If you use a challenge right (or both should you challenge for Overlord) you will have the opportunity to regain these rights through regulation duels. A Warlord or new Title Holder can begin collecting these duels the following regulation fight night after their prior challenge. Once these duels are collected, 1 challenge right (5 wins) for a Baron challenge or 2 challenge rights (10 wins) for an Overlord challenge, a duelist may hold onto them throughout the cycle until they challenge again. Upon challenging a duelist will have to present these wins, along with their challenge post, to prove that they have acquired the needed wins to regain their challenge right(s). These new rights will last throughout the cycle. Once a new cycle begins all Warlords will have their default 2 challenge rights returned to them to be used again.

As always -- normal challenge rules still apply (Duelist must wait 14 days after a failed challenge, starting after the official standings are updated, before being able to challenge again).

Now to the example of the challenge process & how rights are used.

Example
Warlord Na-rae uses 2 challenge rights to challenge Overlord Nat.
Warlord Na-rae loses, her 2 challenge rights are gone.
Warlord Na-rae begins dueling the following night and gains 5 wins, she now has what she needs for 1 challenge right.
Should she choose, Na-rae can try for an extra 5 wins to gain her second challenge right, which returns her to the maximum of 2 she can hold at a time.
Once her 14 day wait period ends, beginning after the official standings are updated to reflect her challenge loss against Nat, she can choose to use her new challenge right(s) or hold onto them.

Question: Can a new Title Holder regain their challenge rights?
Answer: Yes. If you gained a title within the same cycle you challenged in, you may regain your maximum of 2 challenge rights through winning regulation duels as well -- beginning the next night of regulation duels after the challenge.

Question: Does this involve grants?
Answer: No. Grants are still considered special and have no connection with challenge rights.

If you have any other questions, feel free to reply to the thread or privately to me with them and I will answer!

Now onto what will obviously be removed...

What will be Removed
The 30 / 90 day wait penalties.
Reason: A duelist using both of their challenge rights, and who doesn't want to gain more through regulation duels, roughly translates into the waiting penalties anyway. Let’s be real, it also cuts down on bloat. Honestly -- this is one of those “My bad” moments, and I both apologize and thank you for going along with the testing of the wait-period rules for the cycle.

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Now to step away from the challenge process...

Overlord Grace Period from Loyal Majority**

This will be kept for the time being. We haven’t seen what could be done with this currently, so it may take a few more cycles to see if it’s something that the community would like kept or not, so please bear with us while we test it. Like always: any concerns, now or later on once we all see how things are going with the rule, feel free to post them on the ooc forums or private message me.
Overlord Benefits

Should an Overlord have a Majority of Loyal Barons (4/3 of Barons in favor of the Overlord), then the Overlord will be given a 30 day grace period after successfully defending their title against a Warlord. No other duelist of the Warlord Rank will be able to challenge them*. The grace period will end should there be a change to a Renegade majority.

1. Renegade Barons will still be able to challenge for Overlord, and their challenge will supersede this 30 day grace period.

2. The rules for banished Loyal Barons will be the same as they are written now -- in other words, a challenge made by a banished Loyal Baron will supersede all other challenges.

* Special Cases: Warlords who win an Overlord Challenge Grants from the Warlord Tournament, Madness, or any special events, will supersede wait periods. This will also count as a normal Warlord challenge and the grace period will be rewarded to the Overlord for successfully defending. Should the Overlord have been within grace, and the grant user supersede it, then grace will reset back to 30 days once the challenge process is complete and the Overlord defends.

An Overlords 30 day grace period will begin when the Official Standings are updated to reflect the challenge results (Sunday's at 6 PM EST). Should the Official Standings be late, the 30 day grace period will still begin at 6 PM EST on the Sunday after a successful challenge. Challenges to the Overlord by Renegade Barons or special grant holders will still need to follow the challenge process in those rare times standings are updated late. (aka, a challenge isn't considered officially over until the official standings are updated).

The End of a Cycle: The Overlords Grace against Warlord challenges will continue on into a new cycle.
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The remainder of the Spring Cycle will continue to use the tested rules (As there can still be players on the cool down period, though this period will end once the new cycle rolls over, both as stated in the tested rules / due to the challenge rules reverting). This might be unpleasant and I once again apologize. As Duel of Swords Coordinator and Game Master of the sport it takes tests and shake ups like these to see where the game can advance, so once again I'd like to deeply thank all of you for testing these new rules, even if they didn't quite work out as intended.. or, could just have been simplified :sweat:

Thanks for reading all this! Again: Any questions and the like -- feel free to ask away either here, in my PM box, or on Discord -- I'm Saya#2416

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