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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:36 pm
by Kalamere
In response to Harris.. these are the totals for the Winter Cycle, excluding ties.
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Adonai Uziel : 0- 2 = 2
Anubis Karos : 5- 4 = 9
Artemus Kurgen : 1- 0 = 1
Aya Hayashibara : 0- 1 = 4
Cassius Gaius Maximius : 3- 1 = 4
Deathlord : 2- 1 = 3
G'nort Dragoon Talanador: 32-23 = 55
Guill : 3- 2 = 5
Harris D'Artanian : 6- 3 = 9
Jake : 5- 4 = 9
Jaycynda Ashleana : 2- 2 = 4
Joex : 6- 4 = 10
Kaja Adair : 1- 2 = 3
Kalamere Ar'Din : 10- 6 = 16
Kheldar Drasinia : 7- 6 = 13
Lem DeAngelo : 0- 1 = 1
Marcus : 15- 5 = 20
Maria Graziano : 8- 5 = 13
Morgan le Fay : 1- 1 = 2
Neo : 47-34 = 81
Querylon : 1- 0 = 1
Sartan : 0- 3 = 14
Shadow : 24- 9 = 33
Soerl Lute : 3- 2 = 5
Sylus : 5- 3 = 8
Tasslehofl Momus : 15- 6 = 21
Teagan Rielea : 16-18 = 34
Thorne : 20-13 = 33
Ticallion M Carter : 7- 3 = 10
Tormay Eludes : 0- 2 = 2
Vanion : 1- 0 = 1
Xanth : 15- 6 = 21
Xeric Mues : 1- 1 = 2
Xerzes : 0- 1 = 1
Xyclone : 0- 1 = 1
35 Warlords Dueled
A total of 175 times
And this is the first 5 weeks of the Spring Cycle:
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Anubis Karos : 5- 2 = 7
Aya Hayashibara : 6- 3 = 9
Capistrano : 3- 1 = 4
Cassius Gaius Maximius : 2- 1 = 3
G'nort Dragoon Talanador: 1- 1 = 2
Guill : 2- 1 = 3
Harris D'Artanian : 4- 9 = 13
Jake : 1- 2 = 3
Jaycynda Ashleana : 3- 1 = 4
Joex : 16- 9 = 25
Kalamere Ar'Din : 8- 6 = 14
Kheldar Drasinia : 0- 2 = 2
Lem DeAngelo : 0- 1 = 1
Marcus : 3- 1 = 4
Maria Graziano : 3- 0 = 3
Morgan le Fay : 0- 2 = 2
Neo : 8- 8 = 16
Rena : 0- 1 = 1
Shadow : 4- 1 = 5
Soerl Lute : 4- 1 = 5
Sylus : 5- 4 = 9
Tasslehofl Momus : 12- 8 = 20
Teagan Rielea : 9- 4 = 13
Thorne : 2- 1 = 3
Ticallion M Carter : 4- 1 = 5
Tormay Eludes : 1- 1 = 2
Xanth : 1- 1 = 2
26 Warlords Dueled
A total of 72 times
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:08 pm
by Goldglo
Not that I really want to call this out on myself, but Matt made Warlord and I've almost busted him out of Grand Master, all in the last few weeks.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:17 pm
by Jake
Goldglo wrote:Not that I really want to call this out on myself, but Matt made Warlord and I've almost busted him out of Grand Master, all in the last few weeks.
Which might be an argument for the SoA.
It might be exciting to challenge right away after making Warlord, but maybe it's better to get a little padding, and be safely Warlord before challenging.
Just a thought.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:25 pm
by Kalamere
Sorry Matt.. I'm not really clear on what point you're making though?
These are the GrandMaster duels for the same time period (listing is for what folks are ranked today on the standings. I have no idea what their ranks might have been at fight time.)
Winter Cycle
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Kalinda : 13-16 = 39
Matt Simon : 8- 3 = 11
Roderick : 8- 3 = 11
Vinny : 4- 2 = 6
Wyheree : 7- 4 = 11
5 Grand Masters Dueled
A total of 28 times
Spring Cycle - First 5 Weeks
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Caleb : 0- 1 = 1
Erin : 0- 1 = 1
Kalinda : 14-12 = 26
Matt Simon : 1- 4 = 5
Roderick : 6- 3 = 9
Vinny : 0- 1 = 1
Wyheree : 3- 2 = 5
7 Grand Masters Dueled
A total of 24 times
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:32 pm
by G
Heck, judging by those numbers, I'd prefer the 10-15 SoA ratio.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:38 pm
by Artemus Kurgen
Perhaps we should look at this "happy medium" we all want.
I brought up that the downside to the SoA as requirement alone isn't enough simply because a Warlord can get 5 duels in one or two nights, 10 duels inside of a week. However this is not the only option with the WLT, the scenarios of Majority Barons are Renegade and getting permission from a Ren. Baron.
Both Kalamere and Wyheree spoke about not liking the nights where all they saw were "Warlord seeking Peer duels." With the SoA why not simply make it X amount of Wins? Before challenging within a cycle the Warlord needs 5-10 Wins. Not Peer Wins, but simply wins, these can be against anyone of any rank. Just a thought.
However our ideas for what should be a happy medium seem to be the crux in the discussion now that has us all speaking in circles.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:21 pm
by Goldglo
I was only pointing out that Matt's duels (as Warlord) weren't accounted for in the original tally. Not that it would greatly affect the argument one way or the other, but I figure for accuracy's sake, it might be better to include them.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:47 pm
by Rhiannon D Harker
Kalamere wrote:Sorry Matt.. I'm not really clear on what point you're making though?
These are the GrandMaster duels for the same time period (listing is for what folks are ranked today on the standings. I have no idea what their ranks might have been at fight time.)
Winter Cycle
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Kalinda : 13-16 = 39
Matt Simon : 8- 3 = 11
Roderick : 8- 3 = 11
Vinny : 4- 2 = 6
Wyheree : 7- 4 = 11
5 Grand Masters Dueled
A total of 28 times
Spring Cycle - First 5 Weeks
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Caleb : 0- 1 = 1
Erin : 0- 1 = 1
Kalinda : 14-12 = 26
Matt Simon : 1- 4 = 5
Roderick : 6- 3 = 9
Vinny : 0- 1 = 1
Wyheree : 3- 2 = 5
7 Grand Masters Dueled
A total of 24 times
Actually, the figures for GM for winter cycle are 6 Grand Masters dueled a total of 31 times Rhiannon D Harker on DM is Rhiannon Dawn on this site.
Rhiannon Harker's record was 1-2
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:01 am
by Harris
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the TdR take place during the Winter Cycle? In my mind that skews the numbers greatly, which is why I suggested utilizing the present cycle. With the Madness the numbers would probably be skewed as well, but to a lesser degree in my mind. Either way, good to see some data collection in progress. Way to go Kalamere.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:12 am
by G
Harris wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the TdR take place during the Winter Cycle? In my mind that skews the numbers greatly, which is why I suggested utilizing the present cycle. With the Madness the numbers would probably be skewed as well, but to a lesser degree in my mind. Either way, good to see some data collection in progress. Way to go Kalamere.
I would estimate maybe 3-5 of the Warlords who were active dueled more due to TdR, actually. I know I dueled as much as I did because I was on my mission to reach 200 WoL. But I don't think TdR affected the numbers as much as you might think.
In fact, aside from Neo, Xanth and Thorne, almost all the rest of the Warlords that got a qualifying number of duels(5-10-15) were ones who *didn't* take part in TdR in a significant way.
Some, like Kheldar and Jake, maybe Maria, dueled more due to TdR, but over a three month period, that would prove it's possible to get the required number in one cycle, let alone two cycles!
So, I wouldn't think TdR contributed to skewing the numbers in regards to establishing a SoA. If you want a Title, you should probably duel a bit more. Titles are won By Dueling. So, Dueling activity is where it should be.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:55 am
by Tasslehofl Momus
For data sake... here is this cycles (Spring 2010) information. I've sorted it based off WoL, and it does show people who haven't dueled, simply cause I just got all the names off the standings and started it from there.
It also has the 'unofficial' showing of this past weekends duels, which does affect the WoL. So.. take that into account if it doesn't match up with the official standings.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:10 am
by Tasslehofl Momus
Now, mind you.. this is for only 6 weeks.. of this cycle.
What we're asking for is for the duels/wins/whatever to cover 2 cycles (26 weeks).
If you want, I'll pull the information for last cycles duels and set them up the same way so you can see the hard numbers.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:01 pm
by G
Okay, since we're nearing the end of the cycle and I'd like to change the challenge rules for the test run at the start of the next cycle, if I'm remembering/reading right, this is where we're near settled on.
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Show of Activity for Warlords
1. In order to issue a challenge to a Baron, a Warlord must have dueled 10 duels since the beginning of the previous cycle.
2. In order for a Warlord to challenge for Overlord, the Warlord must have dueled a total of 15 duels since the beginning of the previous cycle.
Challenges to the Overlord by Warlord.
1. If the Entire Barons Council is composed of Loyal Barons, a Warlord will be unable to challenge.
2. If the Overlord has a majority of Loyal Barons, a Warlord must have permission of a Renegade Baron in order to challenge. That Baron relinquishes their ability to challenge for the remainder of the cycle.
3. If the Overlord has a majority of Renegade Barons, the Warlord only needs the Show of Activity in order to issue challenge.
Limits on Challenges
A Warlord is limited to Two Challenge Rights per Cycle. Challenge to a Baron consumes One Challenge Right. Challenge to the Overlord consumes Two Challenge Rights.
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The numbers for the SoA are negotiable, as are the limits on challenges. I'm somewhat partial to not really requiring the Limits, to be honest. I'm not convinced it'll really make much of a difference.
If everything else is in order, I can make these changes.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:22 pm
by Jake
G wrote:Okay, since we're nearing the end of the cycle and I'd like to change the challenge rules for the test run at the start of the next cycle, if I'm remembering/reading right, this is where we're near settled on.
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Show of Activity for Warlords
1. In order to issue a challenge to a Baron, a Warlord must have dueled 10 duels since the beginning of the previous cycle.
2. In order for a Warlord to challenge for Overlord, the Warlord must have dueled a total of 15 duels since the beginning of the previous cycle.
Challenges to the Overlord by Warlord.
1. If the Entire Barons Council is composed of Loyal Barons, a Warlord will be unable to challenge.
2. If the Overlord has a majority of Loyal Barons, a Warlord must have permission of a Renegade Baron in order to challenge. That Baron relinquishes their ability to challenge for the remainder of the cycle.
3. If the Overlord has a majority of Renegade Barons, the Warlord only needs the Show of Activity in order to issue challenge.
Limits on Challenges
A Warlord is limited to Two Challenge Rights per Cycle. Challenge to a Baron consumes One Challenge Right. Challenge to the Overlord consumes Two Challenge Rights.
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The numbers for the SoA are negotiable, as are the limits on challenges. I'm somewhat partial to not really requiring the Limits, to be honest. I'm not convinced it'll really make much of a difference.
If everything else is in order, I can make these changes.
It looks like it captures the general consensus of the thread.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:13 pm
by Tasslehofl Momus
I'm.. not entirely sure what's the point of having a SoA (which I much prefer, and based of numbers, would still rather it be wins rather than just duels) if you are going to limit the times you can challenge...
But that's me.