Invitational?

[Kalamere]

The iron man concept is interesting and, that being the format, I can absolutely understand wanting to keep enrollment at 8. But an invitational?

Meaning no offense to those who received the invitations to participate, that leaves a number of folks who are just as qualified and/or active, out in the cold.. for what reason exactly? I was starting to wonder if I was the only one this bothered until I saw Morgan's post.

Sorry G, no doubt your intent is good, but there's got to be a way to pull off the Iron Man type tourney without choice of enrollment being quite so subjective. Frankly, it just looks bad.

[Jake]

I have to agree with Kal. I don't think an invitational for a primary title like Baron or Overlord is a good idea.

[Teagan]

The irony being I am the one that retired that ring, I actually would have enjoyed fighting for it again in that format.

How many of the people invited really do participate on a regular basis? As in, contribute to the challenging totals. How many of them show they want those titles in the first place?

[VeryOldHistoryGuy]

Slap in the face to every other active warlord in this community.

[Kattria Minx]

I can't believe you'd exclude others like this, especially when some of the choices are so cliquish and others don't even make sense, especially with the reasons given.


This invitational is just... wrong. I can't even write anything that isn't inflammatory. Except... vacated baronies are filled by warlords who won prizes in a warlord tourney.

[Kattria Minx]

http://www.ringsofhonor.org/forums/view ... highlight=

[G]

I can't believe you'd exclude others like this, especially when some of the choices are so cliquish and others don't even make sense, especially with the reasons given.

Exclude? Cliquish? Please explain.

[Harris]

I'm gonna go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb here and assume this isn't going to be the regular format for filling vacated Baronies. But let's get all up in arms about it anyway and bombard the DoS Coordinator with accusations of exclusionary and cliquish behavior. That makes perfect sense.

[Kattria Minx]

By excluding... are you seriously asking what I mean by that? By allowing only eight people, based soley upon your very subjective (and in some instances, incorrect) criteria (one hasn't dueled in a year), you've EXCLUDED all the other duelists eligible for a vacated barony. You know, those who can join a warlord tourney for a chance to win the baron: WARLORDS.

By cliquish, seriously? You seriously act like you don't know what I mean here? Who do you always pick? I knew at least two before you even posted the names. They are the people you pick for everything you run.

And geez, at least when DoF or DoM decide to do things a little different for the titles, they at least make it MORE INCLUSIVE by inviting *more* than just the top ranks to vie for the titles. Get MORE people involved, not less.

[G]

I'll grant you that one hasn't dueled in a year.

However, this isn't the first tournament where something special was done because of the length of time before the next Warlord tournament. We just had a Warlord Tournament 3 weeks ago, and you're okay with waiting until the next WLT to give it out as a prize? I guess we'll have to disagree on that. Add to the fact that in that last Warlord tournament, a prize(The Free Barony shot) was wasted, and only 7 Warlords showed.

As for those I picked, could you tell me any reasons (other than the year one) that I should not have picked them? In what ways was my criteria incorrect? Subjective? Yes, it was subjective, and I don't deny that. However I also state that my choices were probably the most unbiased choices one can visualize.

I strongly disagree with the cliquish remark though, and am sorry you feel that way. I don't see why someone should be discounted simply based on a fear that I might be friendly with that person. It saddens me that I am viewed as not being able to be objective.

Also, if someone wants to be a Baron, there are other ways to do it if you want it bad enough instead of just waiting for the next Warlord Tournament.

[Jake]

Ok, let's be careful here and give everyone the benefit of the doubt with regard to their intentions.

The number one goal here should be to discuss the concerns people may (or may not) have, and still be able to walk away looking forward to playing with each other again.

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As Kal said, all of the selected duelers are accomplished, well-qualified Warlords and deserving of a shot at a Barony. But, what about the other people, who are just as active, who would also qualify to hold a title?

The invitational asserts that people were selected for their skill, past accomplishments, ability to make for an entertaining event, etc. and the converse thought has to occur to everyone that was *not* selected. "I'm not funny/entertaining/talented enough to be invited?" Which I am sure was never G's intent to imply.

For a title like a Baron or Overlord, I think it's important to err on the side of inclusiveness.

My feeling is that there will be people who will feel unfairly left out, and it could cause hurt feelings.

[G]

The irony being I am the one that retired that ring, I actually would have enjoyed fighting for it again in that format.

How many of the people invited really do participate on a regular basis? As in, contribute to the challenging totals. How many of them show they want those titles in the first place?

While I am posting, I may as well address this.

I considered you, for a short time. But thinking about it, did I really want to risk having you win a title you'd just vacated, or keep the title and become bored again? The tourney would have been interesting, sure, but should you win it, what then? Risk retiring it again? I'm sorry, but I did not wish to risk that.

[Teagan]

I can accept that reasoning, G. Thank you for addressing it.

Still, I find it sad that the majority of the invited people do not utilize the tools already given to them as far as acquiring a title go. Just like Harris suggested when it came to the rule proposal thread.

[Harris]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't essentially EVERY OTHER METHOD for gaining a Barony inclusive and controlled by each individual? If you want one, you can duel and challenge for one. Or perhaps you can show up to the cyclic Warlord Tournament when a shot at a Barony is offered. It's absurd to scream bloody murder the one time a method like this is chosen to distribute a ring. People *obviously* aren't taking advantage of the other inclusive methods to do so to the point Barons are vacating rings out of boredom.

[Jaycy Ashleana]

I can accept that reasoning, G. Thank you for addressing it.

Still, I find it sad that the majority of the invited people do not utilize the tools already given to them as far as acquiring a title go. Just like Harris suggested when it came to the rule proposal thread.

One of the tools normally given to acquire title (particularly a vacated title) is a tournament. In this case the tournament was to be announced at a "later" date. The majority of the invited people could easily have utilized this tool; it just hadn't become a viable option before today.

Just because the invited people aren't challenging, it doesn't mean they (or should I say we?) weren't planning to utilize a tool already given. You're calling out people without giving them a chance to actually utilize a way to get a Barony - tournament (which, since all of the initial invitees accepted, it would seem we're utilizing a "tool already given," don't you think?).